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docs: freeze the known-good auction state and mark tradeOwner DISPROVEN

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Records the live-client resolution so the market shape is now a fixture rather than
folklore, and so a future agent cannot burn deployments on tradeOwner again.

Confidence notes updated: tradeOwner remains FIFA17-HISTORICAL (it does exist in
the FIFA 17-era API) but "required by FIFA17.exe Transfer List Actions" is now
DISPROVEN for this client path -- it is not among the twelve atoms the client's
auctionInfo deserializer reads, and it was implemented, deployed, observed inert
and removed.

The real blockers are recorded as CONFIRMED live-client findings: trade/status
polling is load-bearing, `expires` must EVOLVE with wall-clock time (a frozen
value is structurally valid and behaviourally broken), and relist must persist
through the PK conflict that FIFA's re-sent ISStart necessarily causes.

Freezes the known-good bodies under docs/evidence/market-lifecycle-2026-08-17/
with a machine-checkable countdown proof (_index.json._countdown_proof records
expires decrementing, frozen:false) rather than asserting the clock in prose.

States the general rule this cost us: a response can pass differential parity and
render perfectly while still being wrong, because FIFA expects an evolving
server-side state machine, not a static object that resembles one.
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docs/FIFA17_TRANSFER_MARKET_WIRE.md
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(duration taken from the `ISStart` body), clamped at 0, with an aged-out active
listing projecting as `expired`/`none` — FIFA 17's relistable state. Verified live:
the standing listing correctly reads `expires: 0` once past its hour.
---
## RESOLVED against the live client — 2026-08-17 (supersedes the tags above)
Driven by the real FIFA 17 client end to end: list → expire → **relist** → active,
with the operator confirming each UI state. Live-client behaviour OUTRANKS both the
Python oracle and contemporaneous Web App implementations wherever they disagree.
### `tradeOwner` — do not re-litigate this
```text
tradeOwner exists in the FIFA 17-era FUT API:
FIFA17-HISTORICAL
tradeOwner required by FIFA17.exe Transfer List Actions:
DISPROVEN for the current client path
```
It is absent from the twelve atoms FIFA 17's `auctionInfo` deserializer
(`0x18013e410`) reads, so the client value-SKIPs it at `0x180135ff0`. It was
implemented, deployed, observed to change nothing, and REMOVED. A future agent
rediscovering the old Web App sources will find this note before spending
deployments on it again.
### What actually gated the Actions panel — all lifecycle/state bugs
```text
CONFIRMED — FIFA17.exe live client
Own Transfer List interactivity does NOT depend on tradeOwner in this path.
trade/status polling is LOAD-BEARING for Transfer List state. The tail carries no
numeric id, so it fell through the `trade…` buy/view arm and answered every poll
with an empty auctionInfo. Route is ISVIEWTRADE:
GET ut/{ns}/trade/status?tradeIds=a,b,c
auctionInfo.expires is SECONDS REMAINING *and must evolve with wall-clock time*.
A structurally valid but FROZEN value breaks lifecycle behaviour: the auction never
ages into expired/relistable, which is the state where Re-list appears.
Relisting must PERSIST. FIFA 17 relists by re-sending ISStart (POST /auctionhouse)
for an item that already has a listing row, so the primary-key conflict IS the
relist. Swallowing it as success left the stale expired row intact and produced a
client-visible lifecycle failure behind an HTTP 200.
```
### Known-good own active auction (frozen fixture)
Captured at `docs/evidence/market-lifecycle-2026-08-17/`, including
`_index.json._countdown_proof` which records `expires` decrementing (`frozen:
false`) so the live clock is machine-checkable rather than asserted in prose.
```text
tradeState = active
bidState = none
expires = decrementing (seconds remaining)
sellerName = CAGE
auction record = 12 atoms
response envelope = 4 members (auctionInfo, credits, duplicateItemIdList, total)
ISViewTrade body = 2 members (auctionInfo, credits)
pricelimits = BARE ARRAY (container type is load-bearing)
```
**Do not "improve" this shape without a live-client retest.**
### The development rule this established
A response can be structurally plausible, pass differential parity, and render
perfectly while still being behaviourally wrong, because FIFA expects an **evolving
server-side state machine** rather than a static object that looks like one. The
frozen `expires` is the canonical example: every field was the right name, type and
vocabulary, and the feature was still broken.
docs/evidence/market-lifecycle-2026-08-17/_index.json
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{
"_countdown_proof": {
"delta": -4,
"expires_after_4s": 2216,
"expires_first": 2220,
"frozen": false
},
"auctionhouse-browse": {
"container": "object",
"path": "/auctionhouse",
"status": 200
},
"marketdata-pricelimits": {
"container": "array",
"path": "/marketdata/pricelimits?defId=20801",
"status": 200
},
"trade-status-filtered": {
"container": "object",
"path": "/trade/status?tradeIds=1000000097",
"status": 200
},
"trade-status-unfiltered": {
"container": "object",
"path": "/trade/status",
"status": 200
},
"tradePile": {
"container": "object",
"path": "/tradePile",
"status": 200
},
"tradePile-counts": {
"container": "object",
"path": "/tradePile/counts",
"status": 200
}
}
docs/evidence/market-lifecycle-2026-08-17/auctionhouse-browse.json
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{
"auctionInfo": [
{
"bidState": "none",
"buyNowPrice": 15000,
"coinsProcessed": 0,
"currentBid": 0,
"expires": 2220,
"itemData": {
"assetId": 20801,
"attributeList": [
{
"index": 0,
"value": 92
},
{
"index": 1,
"value": 92
},
{
"index": 2,
"value": 81
},
{
"index": 3,
"value": 91
},
{
"index": 4,
"value": 33
},
{
"index": 5,
"value": 80
}
],
"cardassetid": 20801,
"cardsubtypeid": 0,
"contract": 7,
"definitionId": 20801,
"discardValue": 1500,
"fitness": 99,
"id": 100000097,
"itemState": "forSale",
"itemType": "player",
"leagueId": 53,
"nation": 38,
"owners": 1,
"playStyle": 250,
"preferredPosition": "LW",
"rareflag": 1,
"rating": 94,
"resourceId": 20801,
"teamid": 243,
"untradeable": false
},
"sellerEstablished": 1,
"sellerName": "CAGE",
"startingBid": 150,
"tradeId": 1000000097,
"tradeState": "active",
"watched": false
}
],
"count": 0,
"credits": 29843976,
"duplicateItemIdList": [],
"maxAuctionsAllowed": 100,
"offered": 0,
"selling": 1,
"sold": 0,
"total": 1
}
docs/evidence/market-lifecycle-2026-08-17/marketdata-pricelimits.json
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[
{
"defId": 20801,
"maxPrice": 15000,
"minPrice": 150
}
]
docs/evidence/market-lifecycle-2026-08-17/trade-status-filtered.json
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{
"auctionInfo": [
{
"bidState": "none",
"buyNowPrice": 15000,
"coinsProcessed": 0,
"currentBid": 0,
"expires": 2220,
"itemData": {
"assetId": 20801,
"attributeList": [
{
"index": 0,
"value": 92
},
{
"index": 1,
"value": 92
},
{
"index": 2,
"value": 81
},
{
"index": 3,
"value": 91
},
{
"index": 4,
"value": 33
},
{
"index": 5,
"value": 80
}
],
"cardassetid": 20801,
"cardsubtypeid": 0,
"contract": 7,
"definitionId": 20801,
"discardValue": 1500,
"fitness": 99,
"id": 100000097,
"itemState": "listFS",
"itemType": "player",
"leagueId": 53,
"nation": 38,
"owners": 1,
"playStyle": 250,
"preferredPosition": "LW",
"rareflag": 1,
"rating": 94,
"resourceId": 20801,
"teamid": 243,
"untradeable": false
},
"sellerEstablished": 1,
"sellerName": "CAGE",
"startingBid": 150,
"tradeId": 1000000097,
"tradeState": "active",
"watched": false
}
],
"credits": 29843976
}
docs/evidence/market-lifecycle-2026-08-17/trade-status-unfiltered.json
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{
"auctionInfo": [
{
"bidState": "none",
"buyNowPrice": 15000,
"coinsProcessed": 0,
"currentBid": 0,
"expires": 2220,
"itemData": {
"assetId": 20801,
"attributeList": [
{
"index": 0,
"value": 92
},
{
"index": 1,
"value": 92
},
{
"index": 2,
"value": 81
},
{
"index": 3,
"value": 91
},
{
"index": 4,
"value": 33
},
{
"index": 5,
"value": 80
}
],
"cardassetid": 20801,
"cardsubtypeid": 0,
"contract": 7,
"definitionId": 20801,
"discardValue": 1500,
"fitness": 99,
"id": 100000097,
"itemState": "listFS",
"itemType": "player",
"leagueId": 53,
"nation": 38,
"owners": 1,
"playStyle": 250,
"preferredPosition": "LW",
"rareflag": 1,
"rating": 94,
"resourceId": 20801,
"teamid": 243,
"untradeable": false
},
"sellerEstablished": 1,
"sellerName": "CAGE",
"startingBid": 150,
"tradeId": 1000000097,
"tradeState": "active",
"watched": false
}
],
"credits": 29843976
}
docs/evidence/market-lifecycle-2026-08-17/tradePile-counts.json
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{
"count": 1,
"maxAuctionsAllowed": 100,
"offered": 0,
"selling": 1,
"sold": 0
}
docs/evidence/market-lifecycle-2026-08-17/tradePile.json
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{
"auctionInfo": [
{
"bidState": "none",
"buyNowPrice": 15000,
"coinsProcessed": 0,
"currentBid": 0,
"expires": 2220,
"itemData": {
"assetId": 20801,
"attributeList": [
{
"index": 0,
"value": 92
},
{
"index": 1,
"value": 92
},
{
"index": 2,
"value": 81
},
{
"index": 3,
"value": 91
},
{
"index": 4,
"value": 33
},
{
"index": 5,
"value": 80
}
],
"cardassetid": 20801,
"cardsubtypeid": 0,
"contract": 7,
"definitionId": 20801,
"discardValue": 1500,
"fitness": 99,
"id": 100000097,
"itemState": "listFS",
"itemType": "player",
"leagueId": 53,
"nation": 38,
"owners": 1,
"playStyle": 250,
"preferredPosition": "LW",
"rareflag": 1,
"rating": 94,
"resourceId": 20801,
"teamid": 243,
"untradeable": false
},
"sellerEstablished": 1,
"sellerName": "CAGE",
"startingBid": 150,
"tradeId": 1000000097,
"tradeState": "active",
"watched": false
}
],
"credits": 29843976,
"duplicateItemIdList": [],
"total": 1
}